Parasites, mold, terrain, sex drive and testing with Dr. Jaban Moore

This week on The Less Stressed Life Podcast, I have on Dr. Jaban Moore who is a Doctor of Chiropractic working virtually with clients through functional medicine to assist them in overcoming chronic health conditions. On this episode, we talk about all the different toxic burdens, lab testing, and immune resilience. All this can be overwhelming but I LOVE that Jaban reminds us that "you don't have to live perfect to live well."

KEY TAKEAWAYS:

• Terrain theory
• Factors that weaken your immune system
• Parasites, mold, heavy metals, Lyme disease
• The different lab testing
• Pros & cons of lab testing
• Optimizing mitochondria
• Sex drive

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ABOUT GUEST:
Dr. Jaban Moore is a Doctor of Chiropractic located in Kansas City who works virtually with clients through functional medicine to assist them in overcoming chronic health conditions. At age 25, he went from being an award-winning college athlete to not being able to get out of bed. He sought out countless doctors looking for answers, but doctors only gave him “band-aid” solutions. He was later diagnosed with Lyme disease. Once he overcame this complex infection, he dedicated his practice to helping clients discover the causes of their symptoms. Dr. Moore specializes in Lyme disease, PANS/PANDAS, autism, parasitic infections, and environmental toxicities. Dr. Moore and his team at The Redefining Wellness Center see clients virtually. Visit his website, where you can gain access to education, live videos, and programs.

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TRANSCRIPT:

[00:00:00] Christa: Stress is the inflammation that robs us of life, energy, and happiness. Our typical solutions for gut health and hormone balance have let a lot of us down. We're over medicated and underserved. At The Less Stressed Life, we're a community of health savvy women exploring solutions outside of our traditional Western medicine toolbox and training to raise the bar and change our stories.

[00:00:26] Christa: Each week, our hope is that you leave our sessions inspired to learn, grow, and share these stories to raise the bar in your life and home. 

[00:00:44] Christa: Eight years ago, my husband lost his health insurance and I was self employed. I'd been working in conventional care up to that point in my career and I was seeing gross mismanagement of the healthcare industry daily. The company I worked for was amazing, but the reasons we were treating the patients were completely preventable, and our small facility created about a million dollars per month in healthcare system burden due to these mostly preventable diseases.

[00:01:12] Christa: My nurse friends also shared stories with me of people faking chest pain for an ambulance ride just to get cigarettes. I did not want to be part of this broken model, and it weighed heavily on my heart. While frantically searching for options to my health care dilemma, I found Christian Health Care Ministries, or CHM, which would allow me to submit medical bills for cost sharing and reimbursement.

[00:01:35] Christa: CHM is a member based non profit ministry, and it's shared 100% of eligible medical bills for members since 1981. I've been a CHM member over eight years, and I love that it provides a healthcare solution for my entire family that's budget friendly while also sharing the same values that include prevention and healing.

[00:01:55] Christa: I know where my healthcare dollars are going and who they are supporting, and I even have the option for maternity cost sharing. With the money that I've saved being a CHM member over the years, I've also been able to allocate our healthcare dollars where they matter most to my family. If you want to learn more about whether c h m could be a solution for you, there's a link in the show notes for getting more information, or you can go to ch ministries.org/less stressed life.

[00:02:23] Christa: That's ch ministries.org/less stressed life. When you use that link. It really helps them know if you heard the podcast and I hope that my story is helpful to you in case you are in need of a healthcare solution. 

[00:02:40] Christa: today on the less stressed life, I'm joined by Dr. Jamin Moore, who's a doctor of chiropractic located in Kansas City, who works virtually with clients through functional medicine to assist them in overcoming chronic health conditions. At the age of 25, he went from being an award winning college athlete to not being able to get out of bed.

[00:02:56] Christa: He sought out countless doctors looking for answers, but doctors only gave him band aid solutions. He was later diagnosed with Lyme disease. Once he overcame this complex infection, he dedicated his practice, helping clients discover the root causes of their symptoms and now he specializes in Lyme disease, pans and pandas, autism, parasitic infections and environmental toxicities.

[00:03:14] Christa: His team at the redefining wellness center sees clients virtually. And today we're talking about some of these topics. I was just telling you about how well the parasite conversation went over somewhat recently. And then I recall right now that I've had Dr. Emily Gutierrez on a few times now, but she did a pans and pandas once.

[00:03:33] Christa: I don't know if you know her. She's out of Texas. 

[00:03:35] Dr. Jaban Moore: Well, thanks. So 

[00:03:38] Christa: just a small world. She was just such a gem in this area. So thanks for coming on today. Your story is very dramatic and very good. Will you tell us how long it kind of seemed to take or some of the degradation between being this college athlete to all of a sudden not being able to function?

[00:03:55] Christa: How long did that actually take? Tell us about how that transpired a little bit. 

[00:03:58] Dr. Jaban Moore: There's a little bit of a buildup. I can remember going and just starting to have a sore throat in college and not really understanding why. And. I wasn't a drinker. I didn't party. I was an athlete. I'm five foot 10. So I wasn't big enough to not give it everything and eat. Right. 

[00:04:13] Dr. Jaban Moore: So I remember the sore throat and I remember not really getting stronger in college and I just didn't really develop. Like I thought I would out of high school. And then when I graduated from college. I really started to notice a lot of symptoms coming on.

[00:04:29] Dr. Jaban Moore: More fatigue, more brain fog. My joints are hurting. My hormones, I think we're starting to crash. I didn't, wasn't testing at the time I was going to chiropractic school and I ended up with erectile dysfunction, which at 25 is, it's a tough road To try to accept, especially when doctors keep telling you just happens.

[00:04:46] Dr. Jaban Moore: I'm like, I'm super healthy. I do everything I can think of right. And you're telling me this just happens to some people and you got this little pill. They'll give you to fix it. I was like, no, that's not I'm not accepting this. So I went from doctor to doctor, functional, alternative doctors, natural doctors, medical doctors.

[00:05:04] Dr. Jaban Moore: And even in the functional realm, I kept getting, well, just take this supplement and it'll just band aid it. And I was like, I don't want to band it. I want a solution. Why? So it took a couple of years to really hit the bottom of health for me. And I was going from conference to conference, asking questions and somebody's like, well, do you have Lyme disease?

[00:05:23] Dr. Jaban Moore: Like, have you thought of that? And I go, no, tell me more because it wasn't exactly a topic more than a decade ago. That was as popular to talk about. We didn't have as much social media to just throw it out there in front of you. So I asked him, like, well, what do you know about it? How can I help it?

[00:05:37] Dr. Jaban Moore: So I don't really know, but there's this guy was constantly. So went up to dr Linsley and he was able to help me get back on my feet, get well. And it's been my mission since to not just with Lyme disease, but with the crazy mystery symptoms stuff to find answers. , when people come in with autoimmune diseases, with pants, pandas, with autism, with, eczema.

[00:06:00] Dr. Jaban Moore: It's like, let's find the why behind all of this to give you an answer. It's usually not one thing. So it's not just Lyme or just parasites. It's usually a conglomerate of different things that lead down this path and people will miss one of those things. And there's not be able to get well, so I've been able to create a really systematic approach with even within my notes so that my docs in my own clinic can reproduce it because it makes you ask all these questions of the things that are always missed to try and put it together so that people are able to get to the bottom of their situations.

[00:06:32] Christa: How far along in chiropractic school were you? I'm glad you were in chiropractic school. I think and not in MD school, just because, and I can't speak intelligently to how that looks, but I've got a family member and MD school right now. And health is just not at the top of what's happening when they are going to school right? It's like, stupid hours and whatnot. Whereas usually kind of more in chiropractic, it's a little more holistically focused. So how far along were you and how long did it take you to get back on your feet? 

[00:07:02] Dr. Jaban Moore: The crash really started happening more toward the end. So I was about year three, three and a half when I was really hitting the rock bottom of my symptoms.

[00:07:09] Dr. Jaban Moore: And once I got to Dr. Lindsley, I actually recovered fairly quickly. But which is not the common story amongst most of my clients, but it was only a few months and I started feeling some really significant differences. 

[00:07:21] Dr. Jaban Moore: Got back to what I thought was normal within probably six months. And then as my journey has gone on, I've learned more about mold and metals and other things that I've continued to improve upon what I thought was health, because I remember doing a heavy metal protocol and all of a sudden I lost my voice again.

[00:07:39] Dr. Jaban Moore: And I got dark bags under my eyes. And I was having such a bad detox reaction. I didn't even know that that was a problem for me at the time, but we all learned our lessons as I continued going to more classes and more training. But as far as the chiropractic school, we took 30 credit hours a semester, year round, three semesters a year.

[00:07:57] Dr. Jaban Moore: So I'm not sure how holistically focused it was. 

[00:08:00] Christa: Sure. I got you. I wonder if you recovered quickly because your overall duration of illness was not super duper duper long. I feel like if you've been sick for a few years versus 10. I think I always feel like if it's been over a decade, it may take a little bit longer than if it's less than a few years. Do you have any thoughts on like, why you got better versus some of your clients? 

[00:08:21] Dr. Jaban Moore: I have lots of thoughts on this. There's a few things that I found, higher testosterone level individuals tend to have more anabolics or like building block type hormones. So we tend to see them recover a little bit more easily in most cases, even a lot of larger, more muscular men don't feel their symptoms for years until it breaks them down.

[00:08:40] Dr. Jaban Moore: And then they're not larger and more muscular anymore. So I've seen that be a part of it. I always wanted to keep moving and I know it's just not a part in my brain that works. So, I didn't have a give up or quit that was there and it was, I don't care what it takes, which a lot of my clients have that too.

[00:08:58] Dr. Jaban Moore: So that is actually more common than some of the other parts. Genetics play a role. So you methylate well, are you able to pull in the appropriate nutrients to heal your body? Well, I don't think my epigenetics were turned on, which duration does affect that. Like you were saying, and then just mindset.

[00:09:13] Dr. Jaban Moore: So whether it was the fact that I was an athlete and I developed this mindset from that or the way that my dad just lives his life, which is you just keep moving forward and you don't let the crap bother you that you can't control that type of mindset, non perfectionistic mindset, which I've in the mass cell communities, the really chronic communities, you get to the state of.

[00:09:33] Dr. Jaban Moore: Fight or flight, which makes you a little more OCD, a little bit more, anxious and perfectionistic because you think you have to do everything exactly the way it's supposed to get well, because you haven't been able to get there. So, I never got to that point within my mentality. What I tell people is, if you're so focused on being perfect all the time or OCD or anxious all the time, your body is burning a lot of energy in that.

[00:09:58] Dr. Jaban Moore: And not burning the energy on healing. So I spent a lot of time focusing with chronically ill people on getting out of fight or flight, which sometimes is just the way that you perceive the world. And it may be that way because of the chronic illness, but all of those play a role. And I think I just had a blessing of an upbringing that didn't allow me to get stuck within some of those stumbling blocks. 

[00:10:21] Christa: Yeah, no, that's a really good point. Perfectionism can be a real killer to progress for sure. I want to ask you, you found out you had Lyme. I think you found out officially you had Lyme, right? When you went up to see your doctor, you mentioned having erectile dysfunction and that was kind of like, there's always a straw that breaks the camel's back. Obviously, not getting a bed is a pretty big problem, but you're kind of like, perplexed by not being able to get stronger, et cetera. Like, you thought you should right?

[00:10:44] Christa: It's like, I'm doing this work and not getting where I am. So what I'm kind of hearing, which is fun is sometimes we have these over these symptoms expressing like erectile dysfunction that we wouldn't think about what they would be related to. So, can you talk about mechanisms that you thought were causing the erectile dysfunction of what you were experiencing? Does that make sense? Did I ask that question properly?

[00:11:06] Dr. Jaban Moore: Yeah, I thought was stress from school or something of that nature because I was physically fit. Like, had a six pack. Like, I was built. So I didn't think it was a lack of muscle, testosterone, or desire. So I was like, oh, it's got to be just stress.

[00:11:20] Dr. Jaban Moore: Like, that's what I thought it was. Come to find out with Lyme, you have... Increased cortisol hormones and stress. And when you are in a state of stress, fight or flight, you're not in a state where your body wants to reproduce. So with women, we're in a lot more Dutch tests on women and we see progesterone and estrogen just crash when their bodies are really stressed out.

[00:11:42] Dr. Jaban Moore: Well, when you get rid of that, it goes back to normal. Sex drive goes up. Same thing for men. We just don't run, or at least I don't run as many Dutch tests on men to see that as often. So for me, it was just a crash and then. Vasodilation wasn't as good. So that's why I kept getting told to take nitric oxide.

[00:11:58] Dr. Jaban Moore: And they're like, Oh, just take massive doses in the natural side and that'll fix the problem. And I'm like, well, it'll artificially give me the ability to create vasodilation, but which leads to erectile solutions temporarily, but I'm like, that's not what I want. I don't want to have to go, oh, you know, I'm with my wife.

[00:12:15] Dr. Jaban Moore: I'm going to take nitric oxide now so that I can prepare for later every time. Like it just takes the fun out of life 

[00:12:22] Christa: for sure. Okay. Thanks for sharing that little tidbit on testosterone. Sometimes I think something that can be frustrating for people. And I see this, I work with a lot of skin stuff, so I see a lot of mold.

[00:12:32] Christa: As you do, and I think something that stinks for people is when they can be living in the same house as their partner. And their husband maybe doesn't seem as affected as the wife does. Right? I'm sure you see that all the time. 

[00:12:44] Christa: So that might be 1 factor genetics or another factor. Anything else you would say as people try to kind of make sense of that in their heads about, hey, why do I live with 1 person and they're impacted differently than I am. 

[00:12:56] Dr. Jaban Moore: You know, I'm always afraid to bring this topic up here because I feel like I'm going to get bashed by somebody at some point in general, the women I talked to versus the men I talked to, the women just worry about things in the world a little more often is the house is clean or the kids taking care of what's the plan for tomorrow.

[00:13:14] Dr. Jaban Moore: The guys are just kind of going through life. A lot of them. And the ones that I meet that are worried about more things tend to be the ones that I'm working with because they're a little sicker. It's less often I get a carefree, happy go lucky guy and with these chronic situations. It's not that they can't, it's just, it's a different storm that gets them.

[00:13:34] Dr. Jaban Moore: So with women, oftentimes I'm having these conversations of, can you control this thing that's happening in your life right now? That's stressing you out. And if they tell me, no, I'm like, then you just can't worry about it. Just stop spending the energy on that, that I could spend on something else. So I think that's a piece of the puzzle because that is a common question I watch in my clinic is, well, I'm sick and my husband's fine, so it can't be our home right. I'm like, there's a lot of other factors to look at. 

[00:14:03] Christa: Yeah, for sure. Okay. So I'd love to get into, I know there's always multi factorial reasons people have presentation. something that has come up again and again, and it's been a minute since I've asked a guest about this. I want to talk about terrain theory, right?

[00:14:18] Christa: The idea of what kind of allows your body, and this might just really piggyback onto the last conversation. What really allows your body to welcome in perhaps, or be a continuously hospitable environment to some things examples. Some people work through gut problems, they treat parasites, et cetera, and they clear up and everything is fine.

[00:14:41] Christa: And then sometimes some people have, they continue to see signs and symptoms. They continue to have those things. They go on good protocol and they struggle to clear that out a little bit. Now, that could be the type of organism, but I'd love to talk about terrain and what you think makes up terrain theory, or in general, the ability for you to either have a thriving environment or being a host to some of these organisms, mold, et cetera, what impacts terrain for us. Overall,

[00:15:11] Dr. Jaban Moore: I can just make it simple. Everything impacts terrain, but we'll go a little bigger than that.

[00:15:15] Dr. Jaban Moore: And we just had a massive world event COVID that proved this out a little bit where we saw people that had preexisting conditions were more likely to have an issue right? So if your body is less healthy, you're more likely to have an issue. Well, what causes preexisting conditions in the world that we know about diet, Lack of exercise toxins.

[00:15:36] Dr. Jaban Moore: So things like, drinking alcohol or having other toxins like cigarettes going into the body, living in houses that led paint. So those are kind of the commonplace thoughts that are out there when we saw this, but in my own personal experience, when COVID happened, I go, Oh crap. I still see people in person at the time.

[00:15:56] Dr. Jaban Moore: I saw a lot of people in person now, mostly virtual, but I was like, I can't get sick because if I get sick, I can't go to work for 10 days. Or 14 days or whatever it was. So I'm like, I don't have time to have a stuffy nose. So I shifted my whole lifestyle. I was like, I'm going to make sure absolutely I get sleep every single night.

[00:16:14] Dr. Jaban Moore: I want to make sure that I was already eating well, but like I'm going to eat even better. I want to make sure to take mitochondrial supplements and I'm going to really put a focus on doing things that call my nervous system so that I don't use up extra energy and take away from my immune system. I didn't have like a stuffy nose for two straight years.

[00:16:34] Dr. Jaban Moore: Because I was focused on that. And let me tell you this. I never stopped traveling. I never stopped going out and never stopped going around people. I never stopped seeing people in my clinic. So I was around people a lot more than a lot of other people would have been at that time period. So this all fits into to terrain because when you take a person and you optimize their body.

[00:16:56] Dr. Jaban Moore: They tend not to get sick very often. They tend to be pretty well. And I see that within my clients too. Once somebody's been through my care plan and they get well, and they're like, Hey, I never want to go back. And they'd live a healthy lifestyle. They're like, I don't get sick anymore. Like ever. So just looking at the world we live in today, I mentioned perfectionism.

[00:17:15] Dr. Jaban Moore: I've mentioned worry. I've talked about stress in life, right? So all of those things, where are you down? The number one thing that makes me sick. Is I work too much. If I work too much, I will get sick. I just know that. And I watch it come forward. I was actually sneezing a bunch the last couple of days because I had a whole lot of stuff I was getting done for a summit launch and I was just like, Oh, I know what's happening here.

[00:17:37] Dr. Jaban Moore: Get my adrenal supplement, let myself sleep extra and not sneezing anymore because I allowed for my body to calm down, but look at the world we live in. So there's stress everywhere. So then let's look at the food. It's got chemicals and toxins all over it. If you're not eating organically, which is wrecking your microbiome and causing a degradation to your immune system.

[00:17:58] Dr. Jaban Moore: And your house is full of mold. You probably don't have much of an immune system there, which 50 to 70% of houses that today have a mold toxicity and then just look at that up on the EPA. And then we go to, the quantities of food that we're eating are likely a lot processed unless you're making a choice and a decision to eat whole food which takes more effort which decreases the amount of nutrients in the foods anyway when you process it but then even your whole foods today are we're over farmed and are 40 50 percent less nutritious than they were 50 100 years ago so we're getting less nutrients into our body that way so all of these factors Weaken your system.

[00:18:41] Dr. Jaban Moore: And what I tell people is this, they go, Hey, just put a backpack on and we're going to go for a walk. And within that, if you have mold in your house, I'm going to put a 45 pound plate in there. If you didn't get enough sleep over the last month. And cause you're stressed out from work, kids, family, whatever, to a point where it's not no longer something you tolerate.

[00:19:01] Dr. Jaban Moore: Well, put another 45 pound plate that if you have food that is inorganic and you're not getting enough nutrition in, put another 45 pound plate in there. It stacks up really quick. I'm already 135 pounds. How many people listening to this podcast right now? We want to take a hike with me with 135 pounds extra on their back.

[00:19:18] Dr. Jaban Moore: How far are we going to make it? That's your terrain. That's your immune system. How much have you stacked on it? How much is it carrying? Realistically, was it carrying that much? What's your expectation of how well it's going to perform? 

[00:19:30] Christa: I love that just because I love using backpacks as a analogy for a toxic burden and a burden in general.

[00:19:37] Christa: I would call a lot of people when I ask them about terrain, they generally summarize it as toxic burden. I think maybe we could have elevated that a bit and called it overall immune burden. The way you talked about it, because stress is such an immune burden. And you brought up a topic that I think piggybacks well on this, that people ask a lot.

[00:19:53] Christa: So you see mold a lot. I see mold a lot and it doesn't have to be severe. I like to say, I love the mild to moderate where people are unstable, but it's just kind of naggingly annoying and being a little more aggressive and needs a little bit more of an aggressive approach. So people will sometimes ask.

[00:20:10] Christa: Isn't there kind of mold everywhere and how am I going to be resilient in the future? Let me give you an example. I've got this girl and she's got a mold situation. She'd come from her vacation, started getting sick and kind of everything snowballed from there and her mom said, but won't there be mold everywhere?

[00:20:26] Christa: What do you say to a question like that? And I think it probably, is a lot like your terrain answer probably a little bit too. 

[00:20:35] Dr. Jaban Moore: It's 100% like that. I would tell the mother. Yes, there's mold everywhere, but that doesn't mean there's bad mold everywhere. Right? 

[00:20:44] Dr. Jaban Moore: So, what we're looking for is certain types of mold and then the amount of that bad type of mold is important to me. So if I run a dust sample collection and, we get back let's say this is an army, it's which is a environmental readiness score and we get back that your aspergillus pinnaculoides is 562. That's way too much.

[00:21:08] Dr. Jaban Moore: It's a dangerous mold and it's too much of the dangerous mold. If your score came back at 70, most people can tolerate that. So it's what type is it and how much is it is important, right? So if I'm going to buy a new house, go to an apartment, worry about mold, it's about the amounts. And here's the thing that I tell people, if we can monitor the amount of actual, like external stress in your life, mental, emotional, make sure that the home that you live in is acceptable, not perfect.

[00:21:41] Dr. Jaban Moore: And with my clients that are panicked about mold, I'm like, Hey, let's run a test, let's get it back. And then let's maybe once a year, you could rerun the test. And when you run the test, if it comes back clean, so long as you don't see water damage in your home, it's off your mind. Stop thinking about it.

[00:21:55] Dr. Jaban Moore: Don't let that worry you. Cause that goes back to the stress component. If we're eating the appropriate foods. And if we're optimizing the mitochondria, which is your powerhouse, by the way, and I've done this experiment on purpose. If you optimize your mitochondria while still living in a place, it's not perfect.

[00:22:11] Dr. Jaban Moore: Not that's like completely overwhelming, but not perfect. It will actually make you tolerate it better because now your body has more energy. To deal with the mold. So it's not about perfection. It's about putting your body in a place where it has the capacity to adapt. If you put a backpack on me and I'm going to go hiking, well, first of all, I want the backpack because I want to go hiking with a backpack, so I have water and food and, whatever else that I'm going to take with me, because I'm going to go on a 14 mile hike.

[00:22:38] Dr. Jaban Moore: I'm not going to do it with just my t shirt. So if I go and do that, I'm going to have the backpack on. And if it weighs 10, 15 pounds, that's acceptable, right? So having a little mold in your surroundings is okay. It's when you start stacking the plates in there, that's the problem. So I always tell people yes, molds everywhere, but it's not about just mold.

[00:22:58] Dr. Jaban Moore: It's about the amount of mold and we have to keep it from being that overburdening level. And then keep you healthy and strong 

[00:23:06] Christa: talking about things that keep people healthy and strong. Something that comes up a lot that, maybe 50% of people are open to maybe. I'm really making that up. Maybe 50% of people still aren't completely sure of is parasite talk.

[00:23:19] Christa: And you talk a lot about that. So let's do a quick 1 on 1 on how you warm up people to the idea of anyone could really have parasites despite of testing. 

[00:23:30] Dr. Jaban Moore: So my favorite way to talk about this is, do you have animals? A lot of people have animals. I'm like, do you deworm your animals? Like, oh yeah. Do they have parasites then?

[00:23:39] Dr. Jaban Moore: Yeah. They come out, I see them. Okay. Do you live in the same environment as your animal? Yeah. Okay. So what makes you think that you won't get a parasite and they will? Well, the first thing they looked at, well, we don't eat the same food. Okay. What food do you feed them? Well, I feed them, you know, the little squares, the cat food or whatever dog food I go, okay, well, that's a super well tested and we know that there's probably not parasites in there because honestly, animal pellets are more tested than whatever you're eating.

[00:24:09] Dr. Jaban Moore: I don't care if it's organic or not organic, because if you go to the store and you look at blackberries, an apple that is not tested for parasites. That little pellet is. So you're more likely with your food to come in contact from food parasites than your animal that you're deworming and seeing worms come out of.

[00:24:29] Dr. Jaban Moore: Also that animal has those worms is kissing you, loving on you, laying on your floors, laying in your bed maybe, and they're spreading little parasites around for you. If you go outside and touch the dirt or go into water. There are parasites there and you're likely to get them. So it's not, if you come into contact with parasites, it's when, and with the wind part was, was your terrain strong enough to defend you or not?

[00:24:56] Dr. Jaban Moore: So they're everywhere. And then I just go into the studies. A million people in the United States got diagnosed with Giardia last year. It's a common known parasite. A hundred million people with strong jaloides in the world are dealing with that parasite. We know the parasite's around.

[00:25:09] Dr. Jaban Moore: It's documented. The problem is people just don't want to accept it. And it's not if you're coming into contact, it's When and how strong were you during that period of time? So then people are like, well, then does everybody have a parasite? I'm like, everybody has the potential to have a parasite. We've all ran into them.

[00:25:25] Dr. Jaban Moore: Just like we've all ran into viruses and bacteria. It depends on if your body can defend. And the defense is hydrochloric acid of your stomach, which reduces under stress and it reduces with antacids. It reduces with junky food. So If any of those things are happening in your life, then you're taking a defense mechanism down.

[00:25:44] Dr. Jaban Moore: And also your next defense line is the bacteria of your gut and the bacteria of your gut. There are specific bacteria that are actually defense for Giardia or chondroloides or different other parasites. If you've taken antibiotics and then you've gone and killed some of those, if you don't eat a wide variety of food to feed the different number of bacteria in your body, because let's say you eat the same 10 foods every day, you're actually shrinking your microbiome and making it less defensive because you're not feeding the variety of bacteria in your gut.

[00:26:14] Dr. Jaban Moore: So that's your second mechanism of defense. So if you know that you've unfortunately had a lot of antibiotics in your life, and maybe don't have the perfect hydrochloric acid for the reasons I mentioned earlier, then you're vulnerable to parasites, and they are in your food. I don't care if you cook to well done everything.

[00:26:32] Dr. Jaban Moore: If you eat a raw vegetable or a raw fruit. There can be parasites on there. I had an Instagram story I posted a few weeks ago. That was a blackberry with a little worm running around on it. That my cousin who works for me came and showed me. I was like, sweet, I'm going to take a picture, post that. And then people, didn't want to eat blackberries for a while.

[00:26:50] Dr. Jaban Moore: But they're on our food. It's just part of it. So we just need to accept that they're there. And then make our bodies healthy. 

[00:26:56] Christa: Let's talk about how people might know that they have symptoms of this. You talked about Giardia, very common. And then if Giardia doesn't get detected, it might crawl up the bile duct, cause some gallbladder issues.

[00:27:08] Christa: Maybe you're not going to digest fat very well, strangle it. Like what would be some of these symptoms? Let's talk about common and maybe even less common symptoms people might see, if they have parasites that might kind of flag. 

[00:27:19] Dr. Jaban Moore: So the most common is any sort of GI issue at all. So, acid reflux, bloating, cramping, diarrhea, constipation, there are endotoxins that some parasites release that make you constipated, others that make you flush.

[00:27:32] Dr. Jaban Moore: So, it just depends on the organism. So, any gut issue, skin issues, immediately I'm going to be thinking possible parasites. So, if you have, any sort of rashing, candida yeast that's going throughout your skin, eczema, going to be thinking parasites, grinding teeth. headaches, fatigue. These are all common parasite symptoms because they're weighing on your body.

[00:27:54] Dr. Jaban Moore: If you have pain over your upper left quadrant of your abdomen, which is where your liver and gallbladder are. So if you don't know where that is, find your nipple on your right side, go straight down to the bottom of the rib cage. If there's pain or tightness in that area. There's a likelihood of some sort of toxicity buildup or parasite situation that is affecting those organs.

[00:28:14] Dr. Jaban Moore: So those are common place ones that I see all the time, food allergies, especially to dairy parasite. So hair thinning or brittle nails, dry skin could be a thyroid problem, or it could be that you're a parasite is affecting. your body by decreasing your absorption of nutrients that also leads to a thyroid problem.

[00:28:35] Dr. Jaban Moore: So those are some really common ones that are right off the top of my head. But then my favorite one to talk about is mental health changes. There are parasites such as toxoplasmosis, which is common with cats. This is why pregnant women are supposed to stay away from cats that can get into a mouse. And run that mouse out in front of a cat to get eaten because it's final host that the parasite wants to be in is a cat.

[00:29:02] Dr. Jaban Moore: So if parasites get into your body, they can cause mental health changes or ways that you think. So you might become more irritable, more anxious, more depressed because they're affecting your brain chemistry through neurotransmitters in your gut. They like to soak up dopamine and serotonin just as much as you do, which make you happy and healthy and excited about life.

[00:29:20] Christa: Let's talk about specifically that brings up nutrients that parasites like to consume, of yours, like neurotransmitters or that's more of a neurochemical, but let's talk about nutrients or maybe even medications that parasites like to eat that keeps them kind of thriving in your body because they are very interested in keeping themselves alive.

[00:29:36] Christa: So they're stealing all of the things, all of the resources from you. But let's talk about what some of those might be, or some of them that you've seen. 

[00:29:43] Dr. Jaban Moore: So I've definitely seen iron make a shift. So I've seen ferritin go up, which is technically a sign of inflammation. So I've seen iron change. A lot of people end up being anemic when they have parasites. So that's probably the most common when I talk about some other things that I see is under the stress of having infections, your body releases increased adrenal hormones. And that flushes more nutrients, so more minerals like sodium, potassium, magnesium.

[00:30:08] Dr. Jaban Moore: And then in a hair tissue mineral test, we'll see those lower, which also leads to symptoms like dizziness, standing up, weakness, orthostatic chiroprotection or POTS, dysautonomia, because we're losing mineral content. Other things that I'm seeing is the stress is causing epigenetic changes, which leads to B vitamin deficiencies.

[00:30:26] Dr. Jaban Moore: I can't tell you directly that parasites are stealing those, although they can. I see those things low, oftentimes with parasites in the body. 

[00:30:37] Christa: Let's talk about, is there any other medications that people take, that can really contribute to the continued proliferation or continued life cycles of parasites?

[00:30:45] Christa: Do you think? 

[00:30:46] Dr. Jaban Moore: You know, any antibiotics, any antacids are going to be my top one and two, because those are the things that make your body vulnerable. don't know if there's any other ones that are off the top of my head right now. 

[00:30:57] Christa: Yeah, well, you just talked about iron being that can go high and low in the presence of parasites and this is just top 3 things I think that there can be a lot of misnomers about would be or conventional to functional medicine would be. I think we all agree on. Antacids being a nightmare for actually what needs to happen in the gut. You just talked about that earlier a few times, right? Stomach acid is the initial gate and how this stuff doesn't come in and maybe unpopulate.

[00:31:20] Christa: I won't go into too many of these, but iron stuff, right? So we see low iron, we just give iron. It can be this kind of self feeding loop type thing. Let's talk about other heavy metals or other types of toxic burden, but I think mostly metals. What has been your personal experience, with metals?

[00:31:36] Christa: What has been your experience with clients in testing and supporting that? Have you seen metals be a reason people don't clear parasites longer term? 

[00:31:47] Dr. Jaban Moore: I definitely see metal interaction with parasite often, I think that metal toxicity gets people get on online and start talking about heavy metals being root causes of everything.

[00:31:59] Dr. Jaban Moore: And that's your primary problem. I don't necessarily see that. However, what I do see is a hair tissue mineral test, which is my preference to use for metal testing because it gives you a more of a 90 day look at it versus a urine test, either. You're only going to see what's going in and out right then and there in that like three day period.

[00:32:19] Dr. Jaban Moore: Or if it's not that three day period, then you're not going to see it unless you provoke it. And certain types of provocation like DMSA and EDTA almost always make lead and mercury positive. So I don't love the urine metal testing. But metal is definitely a problem and it's coming from your water supply.

[00:32:36] Dr. Jaban Moore: It's coming from the genetically modified foods that are now able to grow in places where previously there was too much metal, too much toxin in the ground. And they couldn't actually grow. So now they're growing in more places because of advancement in agriculture there. So we're getting more metals into our body.

[00:32:54] Dr. Jaban Moore: We're also getting it from your shampoos, your makeups, your lipsticks. There was a study that showed 32 different lipsticks. 16 of them had lead in it over the acceptable amount. So we're getting a lot of toxins in and where these toxins come in, the body has to deal with that burden. So the gallbladder, the kidneys, these are all detox organs have to step their game up.

[00:33:16] Dr. Jaban Moore: They have to find a way to flush those things out using fat, using bile as binders. To get this stuff out of your body. So if you can't get it out of your body, then your body has to sequester it. So it has to like, put it off to the side so they can deal with it. It'll put it into fat.

[00:33:34] Dr. Jaban Moore: For those people. And then on the other side of that, there's some evidence showing that the body will bring parasites in because parasites love metals and they'll soak up those metals. And then the body, let's say 100 years ago, because you got the metal from a stream versus all the toxic places we get it now, then would have gone ahead, use the immune system cleared out the parasite gone back to normal functioning.

[00:34:00] Dr. Jaban Moore: However, now there's an endless supply of talks, there's an endless supply of metals coming in if you're drinking tap water, or doing those other things that I mentioned. So now, the parasites there is happy to get metal, and then it replicates. Now you have two and four and six and eight until it becomes overwhelming to the body and another burden on itself.

[00:34:19] Dr. Jaban Moore: So that's why parasites are coming in and becoming more common and staying there. So for me, what I end up doing with clients is I'm like, look, the first step we have to do is we have to make sure you live in a safe place. That includes food, water, air, and hygiene. So we need to make sure those things are safe.

[00:34:37] Dr. Jaban Moore: So you cut off the supply. To any sort of reason why your body is unable to remove parasites, the immune system weakened from mold toxicities, things of that nature. So then when we go after the parasites, now they're starved out, they're no longer getting this reason for being there. Your immune system is back to being strong, and now we can actually have success removing the infections.

[00:35:01] Christa: Talking about safe air, water, et cetera. Do you recommend clients automatically get an air purifier? Do you recommend that they automatically test their water or just get in water filter? I mean, it's sometimes, as you know, when you're working on all the holistic health things, it's like a lot sometimes and not every water filter filters what people have in their water. So I'm just curious how you navigate that with clients. 

[00:35:26] Dr. Jaban Moore: I asked him a question about each 1 of those things. We start off with air. Have you ever tested your home? If they say no, then we're looking at the organic acid test. Their total toxin burden tests their labs. And I'm familiar enough after a decade of doing this that.

[00:35:39] Dr. Jaban Moore: If you have certain markers, I'm going to suggest, okay, we need to test the air for mold. So there are direct mold markers, such as Michael toxin test where you're in a Michael toxins out. So I'm like, okay, you got mold coming out. We're testing everywhere that you spend a lot of time. But otherwise, if your mitochondria suppressed, you have oxalates in your body.

[00:35:57] Dr. Jaban Moore: You have a methylation issue that looks like your toxic burden is elevated. I'm going to suggest mold toxicity testing there. So I look through your labs to identify if I believe mold might be a problem. I also look at your history. Like, did you move in there? Is that when you got sick? Are there other people in your home that are sick?

[00:36:16] Dr. Jaban Moore: Do you smell dampness? If that's an issue, we're gonna run a test on your home. And then if the test comes back positive, we're gonna put together a plan. I don't immediately go to air purification because I'm just a black and white guy. I want an answer. I want to know about what's happening in your home.

[00:36:29] Dr. Jaban Moore: I don't want to guess because you could put 10 air purifiers in your home. If that house is horrible, It's just horrible. And that's even the 10 air purifiers, although there'll be better, isn't going to be enough for some people as far as water. If it's water, I'm going to look at EWG. org. I'm going to look at the testing for water from the EPA.

[00:36:51] Dr. Jaban Moore: Even if you don't have water from a municipality because you're in a well, there's probably a municipality around you that was tested. So it's going to tell me a little bit about your ground sources. And I either tell people you're going to do an RO system, which is reverse osmosis. If you have a radioactive element sediment in your groundwater, then we had to do distiller, and that's not only 2 options. And I just try to make it simple like that. There are tabletop versions of both of those. There's also whole houses for the RL. 

[00:37:18] Christa: Well, I want to share, I've been living with the same well for maybe 13 years. And I thought my husband always said we have this great aquifer underneath of us.

[00:37:28] Christa: And one of my. Collapses once upon a time had to do with chlorine and chlorinated water. And so I was just kind of under the impression, like, I've got great water. It's so good. And then I had some epiphanies about my hair turning orange and my iron levels. I'm a ht man. Like, Oh, my gosh, our iron levels on our are worse than any of my clients.

[00:37:52] Christa: So, just when you think things are fine, and I'd done water testing before and nothing was remarkable and it just didn't dawn on me. It just did not click that. Oh, this iron coming in via my water. It was actually causing a lot of hiccups for me, or a lot of barriers to improving my overall terrain that otherwise I was doing all these other things right? It's like, so simple yet can be elusive. So, if you think you've reviewed it once, sometimes it's okay to go back and just curiously evaluate that again. 

[00:38:26] Christa: You talked about H. T. M. A. For me, practice has become a little bit of a game on how not in a negative way. But how much testing do I need to do to get the same results? Right? I'm sure you've been there as well. Like, after you've been practicing for a while, I don't really want you to spend a bajillion dollars on testing because there are some issues with testing. So a couple of things I want to make sure we didn't touch on this. I want to talk about identifying and testing of parasites because we were talking about that and that's the thing that gets kind of tricky. But before we go there, let's talk about the of testing for you in practice. What do you find valuable at this point and less valuable? You've alluded to this a little bit, but.

[00:39:04] Christa: For example, I asked you about heavy metals earlier. You talked about how you didn't really like urine tests. You actually preferred and there's a whole different pocket of the world. That's like, do all this crazy stuff with metals, which I don't really subscribe to either. Because I always think if something makes you feel real terrible, maybe that's not the best way to do it.

[00:39:20] Christa: So, will you talk about your evolution of testing? and then we can talk about parasite testing. 

[00:39:25] Dr. Jaban Moore: Yeah. So I got into practice and I was a muscle tester, so I'm also tested for everything. Didn't really run labs. And then I got into blood labs. So I started with the basics, went from there to running more of the Lyme testing, blood tests, the hygienics, DNA connections, as more things came into my sphere of clients. I had to keep upping my game. 

[00:39:49] Dr. Jaban Moore: So as autism and pans came in, I found the neural zoomer for vibrant America, their Lyme testing got better. So I started using their Lyme testing mold came into my sphere and I was like, ah, okay, so what do I do about this? So then I looked at all the richest shoemaker blood markers.

[00:40:03] Dr. Jaban Moore: I've seen the mycotoxin tests from all the companies. There's three or four out there that are. More commonly sought metal testing, environmental toxin testing, organic acid testing, htma testing. They all came into my sphere. I've seen stool sampling and micronutrient testing and all of those things hormone testing.

[00:40:25] Dr. Jaban Moore: And I think they all have a place in time and it's all dependent upon the client and well, first of all, budget, but also complication and. What have they done before? Where have they been? So that's the big thing for me and my evolution is we have a couple options in my clinic. You can see my practitioners, you have to order labs first, and then they can really get down to what is very specific for you and needed.

[00:40:50] Dr. Jaban Moore: For me, because most of the people that I'm seeing are your chronic mast cell, Lyme, been at it, been through the ringer, seen several people. I probably order a little more testing, but that's because the people that I'm seeing have been through everything. So I want to run a general blood panel now with what I just call a functional medicine blood panel.

[00:41:09] Dr. Jaban Moore: Your thyroid, CBC, CMP, C reactive proteins, homocysteine, just to get an idea of that. I run the HTMA, which is honestly the cheapest test we run, which is nice. It gives me a lot of information about The person within their toxins and how strong their body is and able to overcome, some of the barriers.

[00:41:28] Dr. Jaban Moore: Because if you have low minerals, then your body's pretty depleted and we need to build those up. And then the organic acid test 76 markers. And I've gotten to the point now where within those 76 markers, I can identify if molds likely radioactive elements are likely. The htma covered the metal. So all of those are kind of my, three.

[00:41:47] Dr. Jaban Moore: So basic blood panel, htma, and oh, that's probably where I'm going to start most people, if I have my way, I love seeing the mycotoxin test, just because so many people, it's a barrier to get over. Like it's a belief system like is mold a problem for me. whereas even the neural zoomer, which is a test I love for brain inflammation.

[00:42:07] Dr. Jaban Moore: If you already know you have brain inflammation. And you accept that. That's what the test is going to tell me. It's not going to tell me how to fix you. 

[00:42:14] Christa: Right. That's how I treat mold testing. It's like, well, do you seem to need some validation? Great. I guess we're going to do this. And I don't know what you're using.

[00:42:22] Christa: I'm using the Vibrant one. I split tested Great Plains and Vibrant with my same urine sample. They were completely different. They're not the same at all, but as I have used them with clients, I feel like I like the results better from vibrant and test more markers. I mean, I really respect great plans or whatever.

[00:42:40] Christa: They've changed their name to. I can't remember what they've changed their name to, but that's what I'm using. Do you use or using urine test? It sounds like you're doing household testing. 

[00:42:48] Dr. Jaban Moore: I am. I'm doing household testing. So I do, Great Plains for the organic acid test, which I think is phenomenal. 

[00:42:53] Christa: Yes.

[00:42:54] Dr. Jaban Moore: Best organic acid test that I have found. And then I use the Vibrant Mycotoxin test, preferably, it is more expensive. Yeah. I figured out why Great Plains was a little off, Vibrant tests smaller particles and the way they do their testing is not affected by supplements. Whereas Great Plains Laboratory, if you're going to do that one, I tend to have people take no supplements whatsoever for several days so that there's no conflict with binders or liver supplements that are going to cause changes in the weight of the mycosoxone as it comes out.

[00:43:26] Dr. Jaban Moore: And then I also have them do some sort of stimulating thing if need be, such as, sauna to help sweat and get mycotoxins mobilized. If you see a that has low potassium and sodium, and then you so

[00:43:46] Dr. Jaban Moore: GPL is lower, it's because they're not actually moving anything. So nothing's coming out, even though they may have it. So then I use. Some of those factors to then give me the answers on the other side. So if you see low creatine, then you're not going to see a ton of toxins coming up. 

[00:44:02] Christa: I think provocation of mycotoxins is the smartest way to go because if I'm using mycotoxin testing as a validation tool and I find that your childhood mold exposure can sometimes rear an ugly head and adulthood. Like it just, you sort of, it's like you have an exposure. It lives inside of you, just kind of annoys you a little bit. It doesn't ruin your life, but just as like, this is kind of obnoxious. And then you get, you have a little bit more of an exposure.

[00:44:26] Christa: Now you are the, I think this is an overstatement, but canary in the coal mine, maybe like, it's like, it affects you more. That was me. That was definitely my story. Like, Oh, grew up in a multi basement. And then, as I had a small exposure, I was like, Oh, I'm having fungal symptoms. Like what the hell?

[00:44:40] Christa: Not to mention my iron is sky high, right? So I was feeding the fungus stuff. So anyway, thanks for decoding the vibrant versus great planes lab thing. Very interesting. I'm glad you did the work for that and told me the answer. Appreciate that a lot. When you tested for Lyme with your provider, was it positive? Cause that can be a tricky one as well to get positive. Like sometimes the mold, the Lyme test, part of the reason I went 

[00:45:05] Christa: to him. 

[00:45:06] Dr. Jaban Moore: So part of the reason I went to Alan is he's a muscle tester. And when Lyme comes around, it's like, you need to be able to muscle test. So that's why I went to him and that's how he was able to find mine because the technology that we have now at Vibrant America and seeing some of those Lyme tests just wasn't around.

[00:45:24] Christa: Yeah, you think that vibrance lime test actually picks up some older lime at this point, 

[00:45:31] Dr. Jaban Moore: I do, I'm seeing it positive a lot with people that. Symptomatically and history wise, it fits in lines with way more than others. And I've seen some of the specificity studies showing that they've actually now has the most specific 1.

[00:45:44] Dr. Jaban Moore: Hygienics is still good. DNA connection is still good, but if I have my choice, it's been vibrant. 

[00:45:51] Christa: What about now that you're working virtually? Well, it sounds like maybe you're just using this test if you feel like you need to know online, but if you're working virtually and you're not able to muscle test, it sounds like you would have to either figure it out via questioning or testing, right? How are you overcoming not being able to muscle test now that you're virtual? 

[00:46:08] Dr. Jaban Moore: So there's such things as remote muscle testing, which I've done. I'm also running labs. case history. And honestly, at this point, it's been a decade. I just talk to people anymore. And I was like, Oh, I just went out to dinner and you were, you know, somebody's friend.

[00:46:21] Dr. Jaban Moore: And I'm like, Hmm, Hmm. Should we tell them what's going on? It's just that, that experience factor at this point, because people tell you what's going on with it. If you 

[00:46:31] Dr. Jaban Moore: listen. 

[00:46:32] Christa: Yeah, you said you started with muscle testing. My training also started with muscle testing with chiropractors before I kind of found a bunch of other stuff.

[00:46:40] Christa: And then you started doing other testing. Maybe you didn't depart from muscle testing. It sounds like maybe you still use it. I was going to ask you if you departed from it for a certain reason, or is it just curiosity and you wanted to learn more and try different things. 

[00:46:52] Dr. Jaban Moore: I wanted to add value to my clients beyond muscle testing.

[00:46:55] Dr. Jaban Moore: I love it, but not everybody is a proponent of muscle. They need more. They need that white sheet of paper that says positive on it. So I wanted to create that, but I also, I get a lot of referrals from medical doctors that I've gotten their patients better that I don't know them at all from anyone else.

[00:47:11] Dr. Jaban Moore: They were the pain in the butt client to that medical doctor. And because I ran all the labs and they went from positive to negative. And there's proof there and I'm bridging the gap between functional medicine and muscle testing and Western medicine. We're changing hearts and minds a little bit.

[00:47:29] Dr. Jaban Moore: We're showing proof. We're showing that it's working. I always tell people, cause they asked me like, how long until you're going to rerun my labs? Like, well, I usually like to leave it about six months because I want to make sure that things are making some changes. And if you're doing really well, then I'll leave it up to you if you want to run those tests, but I want to run those tests because it just proves what we did worked and I can continue to stockpile positive results that is making for a case of what we're doing here.

[00:47:53] Dr. Jaban Moore: So that's part of the reason why I started adding a lot more labs was to be able to bridge that gap, and then also help clients with their families and understanding what's going on. The other part was within the organic acid test and the hair test specifically. It gives me a ton of information that I may not have known to ask.

[00:48:11] Dr. Jaban Moore: So as a muscle tester, you're only going to get the answer that you asked for, right? So you're only going to get the answer to a question that you ask. That's a better way to say that. So if I didn't ask the question, are you depleted in chromium? I'm not going to get it. And I wouldn't know to ask that unless I ran a hair test.

[00:48:27] Dr. Jaban Moore: Cause there's Infinite numbers of questions you can ask. And those labs helped take me down rabbit holes. I didn't know to look for it. I started seeing patterns within say the oath test, like mitochondrial dysfunction and methylation, toxic exposure markers being off glutathione being low oxalates being elevated that all correlate to mold,

[00:48:52] Dr. Jaban Moore: and I not start seeing the pattern positive mold problem and all those things being off. 

[00:48:58] Christa: Yeah. Also, 1 more thing about muscle testing the way I learned it can be impacted by the clinician doing it right? So, in a way. It can be subjectively affected, even though it should in theory, be a very objective process based on the health of the overall practitioner kind of what's going on for them.

[00:49:18] Christa: Would you say that is true or not so much, or how do you feel about it? 

[00:49:23] Dr. Jaban Moore: I'm actually teaching a new practitioner in my office. So I'm trying to make sure to teach her the appropriate way. I said, you're only going to get an answer to the question that you ask. So if your mind is somewhere else and your muscle testing, and you're not doing it appropriately, and you're not paying attention to the body.

[00:49:39] Dr. Jaban Moore: Then you're going to potentially miss what you're doing. So if I ask a question to you just verbally right now, and I leave it with too much to be interpreted and I'm interpreting your long answer is a yes or no, it's not going to be right. So with muscle testing, you have to know what you're doing.

[00:49:56] Dr. Jaban Moore: Just like lab interpretations, you have to know what you're doing. What I've seen is sloppy muscle testers. I'm just like sloppy people in any other career. If you're not paying attention to what you're doing, if you're not focused on that, you're going to get bad information. 

[00:50:11] Christa: Yeah. 

[00:50:12] Dr. Jaban Moore: Now, even if I have Lyme disease and I'm not doing well, but I'm very focused on you in that moment, I can get good answers.

[00:50:18] Dr. Jaban Moore: I just have to make sure that what I'm doing is correct. 

[00:50:23] Christa: Were talking about testing. We didn't touch too much on parasite testing. So can we bridge that gap a little bit between symptoms and testing and inadequacies and testing? How do you help people know they have parasites?

[00:50:34] Christa: And then 2nd question related to this is that people ask all the time is should I automatically do a parasite protocol? And I usually tell people. It depends on if you're symptomatic instead of just, like, throwing something aggressive at your body all the time, unless you've never done it, but that's kind of my thought.

[00:50:49] Christa: I'm just curious what you think. 

[00:50:51] Dr. Jaban Moore: Yeah. So when it comes to parasite test, this is 1 of those ones that it's really hard for me to spend the money on the best ones out there still samples. They're just not done well, they are not looking for a large variety of parasites. First of all, the test is like one or two, maybe 10 on maybe the best one.

[00:51:08] Dr. Jaban Moore: So it's just, there's not enough variety of testing being done there. And beyond that, they're looking for ovum or egg. In most cases, they're not looking for body parts or. Any of the rest of that and it's done by a technician. It gets about 15 minutes to do the plate test and then they move on from that one in the microscope to the next one.

[00:51:26] Dr. Jaban Moore: So it's just not good. So I don't run a lot of testing there. I look for eosinophils being elevated, iron being an issue, liver markers being off. So I'm looking for more signs. And then I'm looking for symptoms that I am for positive lab tests. So, yeah, that's my situation when it comes to parasites and testing.

[00:51:44] Christa: You mentioned 1 other thing and I'm almost done here I think I think I might have come to the end of the questions finally for today. But you mentioned earlier when we were talking about train, you talked about methylation burden. This comes up a lot, right? There's a lot of it's very popular topic online.

[00:51:59] Christa: Sometimes people come in and with the freak out questions, like, I have a snip of and so I need to do these things. And for me, my brain kind of gets frustrated with this topic, because why I'm annoyed with it is, shouldn't we be able to live a life without supplementation in theory? So, often people find out they have an issue with methylation and then their supplementation, which I respect and use, but people will automatically be put on methylation supplements and just be told that they're going to be on these forever.

[00:52:29] Christa: What's your stance around this? 

[00:52:33] Dr. Jaban Moore: I'm stuck somewhere in the middle. I don't love genetic testing because I believe lots of times we can get, we can overcome it by getting well. and I don't actually have a number for this, but we talk about MTHFR and COMPT and a few other genes as being methylation genes.

[00:52:48] Dr. Jaban Moore: Those are the common ones that are on your testing. There used to be a thousand genetic markers that they would test for. They got rid of it because we didn't know most of them did. And some of them would upregulate methylation, somewhat downregulated. So it's all within balance within the body. So what I do is I run a test.

[00:53:03] Dr. Jaban Moore: I go, okay, is your homocysteine off? Are we absorbing cobalt in our hair test? What's methamylanic acid look like in urine based on a test that I'm already running? So they're already there. If I see that that's off, then I'm like, okay, I'm going to put you on a methyl B for now. We're going to get you healthy because right now you're deficient of that.

[00:53:22] Dr. Jaban Moore: Once I get you healthy, we're going to pull you off of it. So when you're symptom free, we're pulling you off of that. We're going to be off of it for probably, I don't know, three, four months. I'm going to retest to see if simply the bees have corrected, meaning they've stayed well or not. And if they go out of range, by coming off of the B12, then okay, maybe you do need to be on that.

[00:53:44] Dr. Jaban Moore: And out of all the THFR and say they need to be on methyl supplements and so on, like one out of a hundred actually need to stay on it lifetime long versus just while their body is suppressed due to the stressors that we've talked about throughout this whole podcast are being dealt with. 

[00:54:01] Christa: Yeah, for sure.

[00:54:03] Christa: Well, we covered quite a bit today in a roundabout kind of way. We started with your story. We talked about mold. We talked about toxic burden. We talked about train a lot and optimizing mitochondria and how you can become resilient. You can have immune resilience faster. Talked a little bit about heavy metal and tox burden testing and other testing that you like to use a little about HTMA muscle testing, parasite stuff.

[00:54:27] Christa: Anything else you feel like you want to leave people with for today? 

[00:54:32] Dr. Jaban Moore: After talking about all of that, all I have to say is. If all of a sudden now you're panicked because there's too many things in your mind, all of it can be overcome. There's systematic ways to just get your body healthy and then you can stay healthy.

[00:54:47] Dr. Jaban Moore: I had Lyme. I was miserable. I feel great now. I love working out and going out and having fun and I don't have to live perfect to live well, but you have to still take care of yourself. So whatever you hear today that resonates with you, take steps forward, move into health. Just enjoy life. You overcome this.

[00:55:11] Christa: That was my favorite thing. That was my favorite 1 liner. I don't have to live perfect to live well, and I would agree with that because our perfectionist kind of kills. It's like, if this is stressing you out, it's circumventing the entire point of it. Where can people find you online? 

[00:55:25] Dr. Jaban Moore: I have all the socials at Dr. Jabin Moore and then my website's also Dr. Jabin Moore and we're putting out free content constantly. If you need a doc to help you out, just book a discovery call. We can help you. 

[00:55:40] Christa: Well, thanks for coming on today and to be continued on maybe a little deep dive on Lyme in the future. 

[00:55:46] Dr. Jaban Moore: Absolutely. Let's do it.

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